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  1. Dear Janek

    It is Feb 2019 and apologies for only responding now
    I had a similar situation, bought a property in 2014 only to discover that there were no plans for the house AFTER the transfer went through.

    There is NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING a new owner can do!!!!!!

    The previous owner worked for the Estate agent that sold the house to me .

    I reported them to the Estate agency board
    with WRITTEN proof that I have asked for copies of the plans prior to buying the house and with WRITTEN proof that the Estate Agent and owner said that there are approved plans for the house .
    The owner’s appointed “Transfer Attorney” also confirmed that there are approved plans.!!!!

    To my utter dismay the estate Agency Board DID NOTHING!!!!!!
    They had a board meeting to “discuss” my case and felt that my case did warrant taking action against the Estate Agent.

    I discovered that they simply do not care for buyers will DO NOTHING to dishonest Estate Agents even though it is illegal what they have done.

    So now the new owner has to decide :
    A) do you try and sort this out yourself by having plans drawn up and go through the PAINFUL and lenghtly process of getting the plans approved?

    Or
    going the legal route and paying lawyers thousands only to discover the previous owner have left the country

  2. Nadia, “As Built” is just a term used when you submit plans for a building that is already built. The cost of the plans will be the same. There might be a penalty from the coucil for “Late Submission” of plans.

  3. Hi Janek.

    Unfortunately there was absolutely nothing that I could do about this matter. It was my responsibility to request the approved plans from the seller before the OTP was signed. Because you always buy a property with the so called “voetstoots” clause im now responsible for this mess.

    After consulting with the local chief building inspector I have to resubmit plans to the council as if this is a new dwelling for approval. Thus I had new plans drawn up and new cetificates issued for the foundation and roof trusses.

    If only I knew this before I bought this property it wouldve saved me ALOT of money.

    Thanks for your advice though.

  4. Hi Jakes, I think that you have a problem and need to get legal help. It seems like there are violations all down the line from the submission of plans in the beginning that were not approved to FNB financing (approving a bond) a property without checking that the house has up-to-date approved plans. It would appear that you have a claim against all parties for this. Check with your transferring attorney and take it further with another lawyer. I suggest that you lay a complaint with the estate agency board because I believe estate agents have a duty to check and supply approved plans with any house that they offer for sale. Please update us how this turn out.

  5. Hi

    I bought my house in Octobet 2015 from a real estate agent and got finance from FNB.
    I now want to extend and want to do it the right way.
    I went to my local munisipality to get my house plans. After looking in the file of the erf NO plans could be found for my portion. After talking to the estate agent and attorneys whom did the whole transaction they just said its impossible because there has to be approved plans. Eventually I got hold of the previous owner he was also the developer of this property.

    The plans he submitted in 2009 June was rejected in September 2009. But as I can collect he started building before the plans was approved. The original plan was then collected in February 2010 i assume to be revised. But as it sits now the house does not have aprroved plans nor can the original plan be found.

    I spoke with the previous owner advising him about this and his comment was how can I pay taxes and water and lights if the house wasnt legally built.

    Please advise what my next steps shoul be.

    Thank you

  6. Hi,I had alterations done to my house in Centurion.The plans are approved by Tshwane.A once reputable pool company (P) installed a pool at my house and the salesman told me there is no need to have it on your plans in Tshwane.Now I was told that it def has to be and I could get fined.I then tried to update my approved drawings but to my surprise there were supposed to be a driveway through my yard to my neighbours house.The developers didn’t build it that way and so the pool plans cannot be approved.What penalty am I looking at?Can I ever sell this house?

  7. Hi Patrick, If the house as it is now is different to the original plans and no updater to those plans was ever submitted then the plans have to be updated. Who pays for them is up for negotiations between you and the buyer. I do not understand what you mean by the “1935 draught”. If the buyer needs a bond to buy the house then it is the bank that wants approved plans before approving any bond on the house.

  8. Our neighbor has erected additional building structures that have encroached on our vacant land. Our building plans need to submitted to council for approval so we can build our house but was told they will not be attended to because of the encroachment.What must we do?

  9. Patrick Moffat says:

    I did not know that the house I sold was rebuilt on the inside thus changing the floor plan. The buyer asked for a floor plan and I produced the plan that was registered at Mogale Municipality’.
    This plan is unlike the present structure. The offer to purchase did not state that I must submit Approved Plans. It asked for a floor plan.
    I have already discounted the price with R160 000 as I had a long list of Bad Non Paying Tenants.I am not willing to have Approved Plans drawn up and have suggested that the buyers Cancel the OTP if they are not happy with the 1935 draught which was handed to them.
    The alternative to cancellation of OTP is for them to continue with the process but their Attorney is advising them to put pressure on me to draw up APPROVED plans. What now?

  10. Hi I bought a property cash and now I found out there are no plans for the property. The conveying lawyer tells me it’s my problem as the house was sold voets toots. There must be an ombudsman as no one mentioned the approved building plans in the selling contract. Surely the onus is on the estate agent or the seller to be honest about this. Is there anywhere or anyone I can contact to help me legally? Thank yoi

  11. Elizabeth says:

    I suggest you delay your transfer citing that the seller needs to comply with that clause until you have in writing from the municipality that all is in order. And don’t let the transfer go through until the seller has complied with anything that the municipality says needs to be done because once transfer has happened they won’t do it and you can’t easily make them do it.,

  12. Elizabeth says:

    Also, R88000 sounds very steep to retroactively produce plans. I paid about R5000 plus R1500 runner’s fees for the same thing in a similar situation. Find the right architect and keep it simple. I must admit I then had to pay R5700 for new sectional plans so also budget for that.

  13. Hi Sihile, You can ask for them upfront and they are obliged to give them to you. If they cannot supply you with “APPROVED” plans then walk away as you might have costs including penalties later on that you do not want.

  14. Hi Jackie, There are some local councils that do not require plans for “Minor Building” and this includes carports, lapas and swimming pools in some cases. I suggest that you contact your local authority and ask them what their specific requirements are for each of the three separately and then depending on their answer you will know how to proceed.

  15. Hi Hanna, I am afraid to say that there is no way around this and the municipality has the right to ask for plans. You might ask for legal advice and see if your complex could get a class action against the local authority for loss/damage to your plans. My question is surely they had insurance that covered fire damage and should have been paid out for the loss of all the plans.

  16. I have a unit in a sectional title complex in Pretoria. The complex was built in the late 70’s early 80’s. Over the years, some owners altered / extended their units without local authority approval (it now seems). A recent event spooked the Trustees and they are now in the process of looking at ways to legalise these alterations/extensions. One of the requirements is to submit the original building plans. But no current owner has such a set. The destruction of public records in the Munitoria fire of 1997 does not make it easy. Are there copies available somewhere? Having that will save the owners R88 000 in architect fees.

  17. Hi There,
    We are in the process of the transfer being finalised. The current owner supplied approved plans, however the pool, lapa and carport are not reflected. Is it advisable to continue with the transfer before the approval is granted on the condition that the Seller is liable to get the plans redrafted and submitted to the relevant body for approval? This clause was included in the OTP

  18. Hi
    I would like to know how to check for updated House plans if you buying a house cash.when
    To ask for them before or after I sign offer to purchase.house is in Pietermaritzburg kzn

  19. The boundary walls don’t necessarily have to be on the plans – but the boundary and building lines must be. In terms of the National Building Regulations, plans are not required for walls up to 1,8 m high.

  20. I would say it’s the developer’s responsibility. You should have insisted on getting copies of the approved plans when you bought. Now you may have to prove that the developer built a garage that was not on the plans – and you may have to do this through legal channels.

  21. I bought a house directly from the developer in a new sectional title complex. I now want to sell the house, 10 years later, only to find that the garage is not on the building plans. I did not do any building after buying the house, only put up a Louvre Deck (for which I was told I do not need plans). The garage was supposed to be part of the original plans. Whose responsibility is it to fix this mess?

  22. Hi,

    Please can you help me with what the process would be for submitting plans after alterations were made?

    Many thanks,

    Jacques

  23. Hi, we have put an offer in for a house, of which the seller says the boundary walls are not reflected on the municipal plans. Who is responsible for updating this? Is this expensive?

  24. You can submit “as built” plans to council.