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  1. If you go to the York Timbers web site http://www.york.co.za/ops/timber.asp you will see a full list of the timber that they produce. The V timber (which is a visual grading) is all rough sawn, while the S5 (which is a good quality structural timber suitable for buildings and roofing) is planed, and will be more expensive. They have a sales office in Pretoria; you may be able to purchase directly from them.

  2. Good day ,
    please be so kind as to advise me .
    My builders wants SABS V roof timber
    when i go to hardwares like builders warehouse etc
    they have
    York timbers S 5
    and
    Saturn Toimbers S 5

    is this the same as V 5 or not

    will treully appreciate your advise

    regards

    Rajan
    Jhb
    SA

  3. John the table that gives maximum truss spans for rafter and tie-beams (where 10 m is the maximum span) relates directly to the standard timber sizes that are commonly used, viz. 38 mm x 114 mm, 152 mm or 228 mm. But a manufacturer of roof trusses will engineer them to any specs, utilizing suitable sized members – 52 mm or even 76 mm if necessary – and laminated beams if need be. So the short answer is “no”!

  4. John Gray says:

    Hi Penny

    does this mean you cannot get a timber roof truss in South Africa with a span greater than 10m?

  5. Hi Wendy

    Thanks for the prompt response. I am of the same opinion-think they are taking a chance. The company is CIA. I am waiting for the response from the contractor who came in on Saturday and will take it from there.

  6. Is is this “bloke” in the pay of the insurance company? Makes me wonder. If your house has genuinely not leaked for 14 years – either you live in the desert and climate change has affected your region dramatically – or the roof has done its job for more than a decade; especially if you live in an area that has experienced some really bad rain in the past. I am not a legal fundi, but I really cannot imagine how a latent defect could rear its head 14 years down the line. I wouldn’t accept this response and would definitely take on the insurance company. Which one is it?

  7. Hi Wendy

    We experienced a large hole in our lounge ceiling last Saturday after a severe rain storm (house 14 years old-never leaked before). We have insurance and have had a number of contractors out to review and report on the damage. The insurer sent a bloke who now says that the “valleys are incorrectly water-proofed – specifically that there is not enough plastic overlapping the joins. He says the specification is 100mm overlap. Taking this into account, he says that it is a latent defect and that insurance will not cover the repair of the roof only the ceiling. Please advise?

  8. Hi Penny, the tiles are double roman tiles and not pressed steel tiles. I am thinking of getting a roof engineer in to asses the roof but have been worried about being conned into having to replace the roof. When you say reinforce the rafters would adding sister rafters onto the existing rafters add extra strength to the roof?

  9. Brandon it depends on the type and weight of the tiles. Some time ago it was trendy to lay pressed steel tiles over metal sheeting; to get the look of tiles at a cheaper price. If they have been there for 15 years, I don’t think you have anything to worry about. I doubt that heavy clay tiles would have stayed up that long. But if you are concerned, it would be a good idea to get your roof checked out by a roofing expert. You might need to reinforce the rafters. On the other hand you don’t want to be conned into replacing the roof unnecessarily.

  10. Hi, I just bought a house and 6 months later climbed into the roof and saw that my now tiled roof still has the old Corrugated roof in place. my concern is that the distance between rafters are about 1200mm to 1400mm (approx) apart and still has the corrugated roof on it with the tiles placed ontop. Should I be concerned? I was informed that this House has been standing 15 years like this.

  11. Since they are members of the NHBRC you can call the NHBRC and ask for assistance in sorting out the problem. I assume they would check the contract as well. Perhaps you should read through the contract to see what protection it offers you as the client in a situation where damage is caused by the contractor.

  12. I have a “Minor works Agreement Contract prepared by the Joint Building Contracts Commitee Inc” with the builder, and they are a member of the NHBRC. How will it make a difference? Thank you for your help!

  13. I don’t think this is an issue about ceilings in general, it sounds to me like substandard workmanship and stupidity! Good building practice requires that the roof is completed before ceilings are installed. You need to make sure that the ceiling is thoroughly dry and the builder must repair the holes he has poked in the ceiling board. If he is unable to do this to your satisfaction, you should probably demand that he replaces the ceilings. I don’t know what sort of a contract you have with the builder – or whether he is a member of the NHBRC. These two issues will make a difference.

  14. The builder installed new ceiling before finishing the roof, resulting in the ceilings getting wet, they have to poke wholes in the ceiling to let the water through, what is the regulations regaring ceilings?

  15. My book, Owner Building in South Africa gives a detailed list standard specs for the pitch (slope) of roofs. Requirements for roof sheeting (e.g. zinc) and tiled roofs are totally different. The materials used to manufacture tiles also affect minimum pitch. These materials also affect the maximum spring of roof trusses, purlin or batten sizes and the spacing of battens and purlins. Generally you can have a much flatter roof with sheeting than with tiles, because it is easier to achieve the required run-off for rain water.
    Bear in mind that a “flat” roof isn’t totally flat; most have a pitch of about 5 degrees.

  16. Good day
    Im building a small get away house for weekend about 100sqm.
    I want to fit a flat roof sink or tiles what must the cinstruction look like and the slope of the roof

    Regards

  17. I will check these specs Tiaan and update them if I can.

  18. Brandon,
    1. Any roof with a pitch of less than 15 degrees is considered to be flat.
    2. Concrete tiles are generally laid on trusses that have a pitch of at least 26 degrees.
    But this is not law. Have a look at https://sans10400.org.za/roofs/ to see more about what the NBR and SANS 10400-L say.
    Basically there are various different classes of roof covering (clay and concrete are Class B), and the SANS gives guidelines for truss spans for rafters and tie-beam sizes. I believe that as long as the pitch is between 17 and 35 degrees, Class B coverings are fine.
    I hope that helps.

  19. I have a very low pitched roof, about 20 degrees. It has concrete tiles but the trusses are first covered with shutter board and then waterproofing. the tiles have then been fitted on top of this. Does this type of construction conform to building regulations as I have been given conflicting answers. Some say the pitch is too low for tiles, and it is irrelevant that the shutter and waterproofing has been applied whilst others say it is perfect because of the extra waterproofing? Please can someone advise what the law states.

  20. Funny thing this info is so old and out dated.
    For instance you do not get grade 4, 6, 8 timber only grade 5 and grade 7 timber.
    And also 1400mm C/C for sheeting with a timber construction you will need to use steel purlins, for timber purlins is too weak to span that distance. That is why light weight steel building systems is becoming so popular now for larger span capabilities and bigger truss spacing. not to mention the other advantages.

  21. ITC inspector is right there are numerous methods of fixing and galv. wire built into the brick’s it’s must commonly used trough RSA as well as roll bolt into the wall with hoop iron to hold the trusses down, the problem comes where there is a cavity wall they would want both brick layers to hold down the trusses(distributed load) instead of just one layer of brick wall, with wind uplift in the coastal regions being such a big problem a single skin wall(one 110mm brick layer) is not sufficient there is a big chance that the one brick layer might just pull lose, structurally a single brick layer is not strong enough. might need to consider strapping from the other side as well to resolve the problem the quickest.

  22. Anton Valks says:

    Yes, this is a late enrollment.

  23. Are you registered with the NHBRC?

  24. Anton Valks says:

    Hi, I have built a small house in George and have a Mitec designed roof with concrete tiles. I have used the hoop iron method of fixing the trusses to the wall (6 tiers). The roof was inspected and certified by an ITC inspector as being erected correctly. The NHBRC refuses to accept this certificate and maintains the trusses are not correctly affixed. They require another technique where a roof anchor is concreted in place in the cavity. I maintain my method is acceptable. Do you agree?